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can you imagine

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what it's like to look up in the sky

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and see

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a totally

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foreign looking object they're stay as

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just hovering

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uh

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not very high up maybe two or three

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hundred feet

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up in the air

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and

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glowing

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and

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two

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bipods jutting out from behind it from

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underneath it

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and sparkling all around

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and

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some figures up there

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this solid looking object

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and

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figures

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walking about on top

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so

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we waved

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wouldn't it be wonderful

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if we could get this object down onto

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the playing field

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and as we waved

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wondering whether we'd get some

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recognition and whether perhaps they

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would uh understand what we wanted they

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waved back

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so i asked the boy to go quickly down

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bring the torch bring me a pencil bring

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me paper

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return as quickly as you can so that i

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can get if or any other events that

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occur and minute by minute movements

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so that at least we'd be able to to talk

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about it the next day

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and this he did very very quickly he

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brought it back and he brought

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the torch and put the torch on and shot

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it to

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the the craft

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as he did so

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this way

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we were dumbfounded when we looked at

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the craft and the craft was as though it

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was responding to the torch

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it began to do this too you know like a

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uh a disc shaped object just uh moving

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the same way uh responding to the the

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movement of the torch

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next day uh just prior to the evening

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service about seven o'clock

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the thing was there again it had arrived

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about an hour earlier

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and um we

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all decided to have the normal even song

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that we do have on

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those uh nights

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because uh well the thing was out there

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outside the church anyway and we thought

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it wouldn't go away during the service

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and it didn't when we came out there it

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was still up in the sky and so for

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another hour or two we watched

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and then suddenly it did go

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there was this amazingly incredible

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that the

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whole craft

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disappeared uh to nothing uh across the

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bay uh in a matter of a second or so

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well now

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what are we to think of this kind of

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phenomenon

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people claiming to see

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things such as i did there are 38 of us

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and we all believe that we saw us but of

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course we

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don't expect other people to believe us

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if we if they don't want to

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as i see it there are several

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important things which uh remain most

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foremost in my mind and it means that

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i'm going to speak of not to give you uh

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detail or word for word of what the

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report consisted of

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and the first thing that comes to mind

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uh in this

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as we were talking uh with uh pete and

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charles and then together about

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doctor ken houston

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who

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in fact saw something at the time of the

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sputnik um a place called mira where he

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was stationed in new guinea

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russian satellite

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should have been going in one direction

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and he saw it going in the opposite

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direction

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and he theorized

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rightly so i guess

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at the dinner table the following day

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that it must have been a flying saucer

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and this is the first occasion which i

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never heard anybody

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refer to flying saucers effect

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there was a gathering about the size of

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this tonight all sitting around the

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table and then the subject got off the

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flying saucers and uh of course nobody

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that dr ken houston really believed that

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they existed

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sometime after this and i say sometimes

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it was a matter of months

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i was coming back from a

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three-week walk about

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walk about as a patrol

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and uh it was my job at that particular

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time in 1959

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to be an inspector of schools

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there was there were 12 schools in the

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very large district uh some of them up

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in the old stanley ranges

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and it was my job to go around and check

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on them and as an inspector might do and

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then on my way back

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the normal thing was to capture get a

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whaleback of a whaleboat waiting for me

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at a particular spot and to row back uh

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and was on this particular night as i

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was drawing into my home station

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um somewhere between seven and eight

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eight i guess of course i guess

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i looked across

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towards the mountains the mountain range

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a mountain which i knew very well

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and there i saw what we what i thought

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a tully lamp the silly lamp is a

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pressure

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paraben lamp and

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at a distance it sparkles rather like

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the magnesium children's

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play things they all know

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what they call sparkles yeah rather like

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this in the bed except that it drowned

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and i took it to be a tilly lab and it

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was only afterwards that i thought maybe

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it was not in fact i thought that it

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could not have been because on this

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particular mountain which is something

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over two thousand feet high um

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it was rather desolate and certainly

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there were no gardens there certainly

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nobody in his right mind would be up

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without a particular reason um

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such as being a member of a geographical

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society or something like this for this

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and certainly nobody would be up here at

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night with a tilly lamp now these

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thoughts pass through my mind as i gaze

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up to this light from the sea

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but still it

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subject of flying sources and so

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i accepted that there was just somebody

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stupid enough to to be there

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when i arrived home however

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again i was rather remote from the

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subject because i was not

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well informed neither was i

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really interested in the subject of ufos

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but when i arrived home um one of my

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uh head teachers

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native papuan teachers um by the name of

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uh steven moy gill

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came to me and said

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last sunday night i saw a rather strange

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thing uh you know all there is to know

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about strange things you tell me what it

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and then he described and i've written

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this down in a letter that i wrote to a

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friend of mine david jury who was the

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head and principal of the sundays

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teachers

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um college

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describes an object over the sea

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and um i asked you more kinds of

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questions about it its size its shape uh

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was it like a sixth was it like a plate

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and each time he came back he said no it

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was like a saucer this is the the

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nearest thing that i can

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that i can relate it to

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i'm assuming that at least there are a

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few people here who have read that

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letter

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if you haven't mister down here will

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show you that you have a copy of this

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scene

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and uh

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it was from then that i became rather

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curious and remember how i signed that

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to david jerry

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who later on by the way was able to sign

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another statement that he and his wife

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had seen with flagshus but before this

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of course he was interested academically

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but not totally convinced and

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what did i sign myself as uh

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bill that's right doubting bill um now

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you see with this signature this is

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going back in retrospect in this

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signature uh there was

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somehow or other performing in my mind

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the possibility

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of these things

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the integrity in my mind

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of

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stephen lloyd

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could never be doubted

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i i had extreme trust and faith in him

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as a character as an honest person

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mentioning uh just a short time ago

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about

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in fact

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the significance and the importance of

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having doubts

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the scientists

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having doubts and how this can lead then

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to research and investigation so i guess

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i must have been at this kind of

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stage

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then of course before i sent the letter

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off then the

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actual sightings that might occur

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now not talking about actual incidents

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or or why it was how it was recorded

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but the few

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things that stand most foremost in my

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mind this is going back now 11 and a

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and there are some things which are

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tremendously vivid

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um i'll mention them

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the

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viewers with a vivid

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pictorial impression in my

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separated a a separated

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portion or a dark portion between it

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and this sparkly knight so there's a

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light outline

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darkness

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and the object itself that is most lived

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another nice little thing is the

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shaft of blue electric

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light

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uh emanating from the

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top of the craft

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up towards the heavens

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an electric blue light

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rather i think i described

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as a pencil with lion

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another

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very vivid impression remains there

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without any doubts at all but in my own

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mind in any case that i saw it and that

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is

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the waving men

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um i saw amy michelle

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on saturday he said you know there was a

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character also he saw somebody wave and

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they said well that's me he said oh

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thank you

302
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and so it kind of became what even what

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is this um

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but this in fact is one thing which

305
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i just can't count white out of my

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mind

307
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that

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something

309
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that looked human

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waves in this

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apparent response the way the way that

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outside of the report itself

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there were one or two incidents which i

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recorded because i felt that it was

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going to be

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a reasonable report that they should be

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entered although i didn't attach

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any theories about whether they were

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connected with the event of the sighting

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or not

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one was this ear splitting uh sound

322
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noise

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like a

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a gun report i guess or

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something which in this case had been

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out of my experience before

327
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that evening

328
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uh it was overcast

329
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and

330
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i was inside

331
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and then there was this great

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noise

333
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i looked out the window could see

334
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nothing

335
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some people have asked me whether i

336
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smelled anything i don't recall smelling

337
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anything either

338
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but that's the noise which will always

339
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remain with me the old one was also a

340
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again after this out of sighting and

341
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that was the noise as though something

342
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had been dropped from a great height

343
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some

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metallic substance i guess

345
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being dropped from a great height onto

346
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the

347
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building i was in

348
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uh so convinced i was that something had

349
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been dropped

350
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but i got somebody to climb up the next

351
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morning to examine the road and nobody

352
00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:20,160
could find any article never could find

353
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any dents

354
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what that was whether it was connected

355
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with the

356
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events of the night i had no idea but i

357
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wrote those down

358
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and as a rather as a supplement for

359
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gender rather than part of the report

360
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itself

361
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but why did i report this thing why

362
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didn't i just stand and look

363
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well this i suppose was the fact that

364
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i've been doing some

365
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uh a bit of

366
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journalistic work and uh also that i've

367
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been been doing um

368
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some uh

369
00:14:01,750 --> 00:13:59,680
other studies and uh i was in the habit

370
00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:01,760
of carrying

371
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paper and pencil for this very thing

372
00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:08,399
and uh i suppose when i first saw this

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object and had distinguished it from

374
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venus because it was in

375
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virtually the same direction

376
00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:18,160
that i thought well now this is what

377
00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:20,880
i've been waiting for i guess i thought

378
00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:21,760
this

379
00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:28,480
believe unless i write it down in fact i

380
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:30,160
won't believe it unless i write it down

381
00:14:34,389 --> 00:14:32,399
either because you know how it is

382
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:34,399
especially in the topics uh i didn't

383
00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:36,000
have any whiskey on board but you never

384
00:14:40,790 --> 00:14:38,079
know uh that people might might or might

385
00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:40,800
not believe that and uh i wrote this

386
00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:42,560
down

387
00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:44,160
minute by minute whatever whenever

388
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:47,600
anything happened uh i put it down

389
00:14:53,910 --> 00:14:50,399
and it was just as simple as that

390
00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,920
i had a rather academic approach to it i

391
00:14:57,829 --> 00:14:55,920
was not excited

392
00:14:59,189 --> 00:14:57,839
not that i remember

393
00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:59,199
certainly i

394
00:15:02,550 --> 00:15:01,040
had a calm enough mind to be able to

395
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:02,560
record the events

396
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:04,880
without

397
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,959
i wonder too if the

398
00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:12,720
reason for the

399
00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:15,440
same well rather saying behavior on the

400
00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:17,120
part of the natives

401
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,320
was

402
00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:20,160
because uh

403
00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:22,079
i treated it

404
00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:24,240
as a reasonable sort of thing rather

405
00:15:28,550 --> 00:15:26,480
than becoming agitated

406
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:28,560
and um i believe that

407
00:15:33,269 --> 00:15:31,120
had i become truly excited

408
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:33,279
they would have become terribly excited

409
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:35,519
too have i been in fear they would have

410
00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:37,519
been i feel that they were

411
00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:40,000
they were watching me for leave because

412
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:41,600
it was out of their experience i asked

413
00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:42,720
them afterwards had they ever seen

414
00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:44,800
anything like this before stephen moyer

415
00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:47,360
of course had um a different kind of

416
00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:48,160
thing

417
00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:50,560
but um he was the only one really who

418
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:51,440
was

419
00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:53,199
possibly

420
00:15:59,350 --> 00:15:56,160
more interested in it than

421
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:59,360
than i would have imagined

422
00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:00,240
well

423
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:02,480
this is a brief outline of just all the

424
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:03,680
reminiscing

425
00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:06,800
and um i feel that you know as much

426
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:07,759
about

427
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:09,519
this uh these

428
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:13,040
these sightings uh as uh as i do myself

429
00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:14,480
by now they've been

430
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:17,199
uh passed from person to person i was in

431
00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:19,600
there in birmingham a week ago i picked

432
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:22,160
up a book on ufos i was rather surprised

433
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:24,320
to find there i can't tell you what the

434
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:26,560
title was now but i think it was sent

435
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:29,759
for about five or six months and

436
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:32,720
what uh what i saw and how i saw it and

437
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:34,720
the reason for my seeing it

438
00:16:42,389 --> 00:16:41,030
but there it was um this is not the

439
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:42,399
first occasion of course i've seen

440
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:45,440
things like this but um apart from that

441
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:48,399
that sort of thing um you you know the

442
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,519
kind of

443
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,440
you know what i feel that's right

444
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:53,519
everybody's familiar with with what i

445
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:55,279
wrote in those days

446
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,360
and um well if they're not they soon

447
00:17:02,550 --> 00:16:59,680
will be soon

448
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:02,560
i'm very happy to uh

449
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,600
to make clear uh any other little points

450
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:07,360
perhaps that people might be interested

451
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:09,039
in

452
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:18,949
would they like to ask which i have some

453
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:20,880
questions

454
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:23,760
when you saw this thing and looked at it

455
00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:25,600
and i appreciate that this could only be

456
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:27,520
a subjective impression that you asked

457
00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:28,640
at all

458
00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,160
did you have an impression of being

459
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:32,880
observed

460
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:33,919
um

461
00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:35,919
no i didn't you know

462
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,669
well i tell you why

463
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,600
because it seemed as though the people

464
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,120
on the crowd

465
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,799
let's assume they're people and we've

466
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,799
got to start somewhere uh we're more

467
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:52,480
interested in what they were doing on

468
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:54,799
the path than in us

469
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:56,720
this was the impression we thought

470
00:18:11,909 --> 00:17:58,799
may i just compliment that person by

471
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:15,350
definition of observation yeah um

472
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:18,000
it's i think in my report you will see

473
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:18,880
that

474
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:21,600
uh they waved and then they carried on

475
00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:22,559
with

476
00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:26,840
business was undead

477
00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:27,919
um many

478
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:29,120
um

479
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,960
we fought for

480
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:32,480
always

481
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:35,600
uh not not once no there were four the

482
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:57,190
how many actual sightings were

483
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,520
two nights which we could

484
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:00,960
uh

485
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:02,720
really be certain that

486
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:10,710
well

487
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:13,120
uh david jerry the man i mentioned in

488
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:15,200
the teacher's college was

489
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:16,960
my first correspondent

490
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:19,360
and i asked him actually norman console

491
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:21,760
uh ken and norman cattle

492
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:23,760
was on patrol at that particular time

493
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:26,080
and i mentioned today with jerry asking

494
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:28,640
him whether he thought it would be worth

495
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,919
or whether norman cut would be

496
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:31,840
interested because northern couple had

497
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:32,640
been

498
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:36,320
uh as an unofficial chronicler

499
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,200
of sightings that have been going on in

500
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,000
new zealand you're getting for months

501
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:45,120
um he had been keeping records of people

502
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:48,559
uh coming in from all kinds of places up

503
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,679
in the hills

504
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:51,039
um

505
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:53,840
and uh along the coast and on boats

506
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:56,559
such recordings as um

507
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,760
uh moons exploding this kind of thing i

508
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,440
just i don't remember how many there

509
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:03,360
were but there's quite a number of them

510
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,720
and so i mentioned today to entertain

511
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:06,320
today

512
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:07,679
did he think

513
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,240
um norman would be interested

514
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:12,480
i sent a copy over to norman

515
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:15,280
uh norman then sent it on to brisbane

516
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,510
go people

517
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,799
papers

518
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,039
that's how it came out

519
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,799
could i ask chris

520
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,880
uh we've read a lot in recent years

521
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,320
about some

522
00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:30,240
of the popular accounts

523
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:32,840
of the cargo cult among

524
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,159
the people in guinea now

525
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:39,039
i would just know whether any of your

526
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,400
native people there was a mission

527
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:44,240
uh whether any of them were inclined to

528
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,840
interpret it in terms of

529
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,600
that not where i was they were rather

530
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,200
more sophisticated

531
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,360
um not that we i suppose that's the

532
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:55,039
wrong word to use because there are

533
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:56,480
quite a number of sophisticated people

534
00:21:05,510 --> 00:20:59,200
who still believe in cargo cult but it

535
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,750
you did say earlier that

536
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,200
there was one man

537
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:11,280
who in whom you had complete confidence

538
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:14,320
who had previous experiences yes he was

539
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:26,870
did he have visions or did he have

540
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:42,789
this was the only to my knowledge but he

541
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,390
a person through statements

542
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,080
uh i

543
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,960
had no uh reason to doubt

544
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:04,400
um

545
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,120
he's

546
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,840
neither before nor since has he ever

547
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:10,240
communicated with me that he's seen or

548
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,510
uh because i remember it uh there was no

549
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,080
reason to wave other than just to wave

550
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,000
because this thing was there and there

551
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,679
seemed to be people on

552
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,919
and which was a matter of miles or of

553
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,320
hundreds of yards could you get as near

554
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,480
as that no feet hundreds of hundreds of

555
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,600
hundreds of feet yes

556
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,440
uh not in the beginning

557
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,039
it was dusk

558
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,480
and um

559
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:50,799
then of course went in darkness yes and

560
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,840
was itself illuminant

561
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:55,600
so it really was saw it by its own light

562
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,640
almost

563
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:59,120
that's right because um

564
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:00,480
after

565
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,000
it was um

566
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,480
there was no light apart from the stars

567
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,400
but i remember it it stopped about an

568
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,840
hour or more

569
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,280
wouldn't it yes

570
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:13,360
yes quite a long time

571
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,080
so

572
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,159
you could deliberate on this question of

573
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:17,919
distance and said how are you

574
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,799
calculated here um

575
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,480
any mathematicians

576
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,280
otherwise i'll keep quiet

577
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:28,000
because this is my problem

578
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,280
i

579
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,320
uh was aware that

580
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:33,760
the important thing

581
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:37,840
try to estimate the size of the craft

582
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,559
so i have to assume one or two things

583
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,120
most importantly i had to assume

584
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,880
that the

585
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:45,840
figures

586
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,039
were of say average size

587
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,240
now the average size of a perforate

588
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:54,320
would be about five foot seven five to

589
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,760
date as a normal man

590
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,919
and um

591
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:01,840
so the next day

592
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,279
i got one of them i averaged sized

593
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,960
school peoples

594
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,200
and masked him across the playing field

595
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,200
until he

596
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:13,200
became the size of the things on the

597
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,559
card

598
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:16,320
and i did this with measurement of my

599
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,919
hand now whether this is uh

600
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,360
the right way to go about it or not

601
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,200
whether elevation makes any difference

602
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,720
or not i wouldn't know but that doesn't

603
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,880
matter this is what i had to do

604
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,240
and um

605
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,159
once we got him there

606
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,520
then uh my handspan which was roughly

607
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,600
about five inches i had to correct that

608
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:37,840
at one stage i said eight inches

609
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,320
and then i realized that in fact uh

610
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,279
when i was not conscious of

611
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,120
having my hand up for a span that in

612
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,120
fact it was a lot less and so i had to

613
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:52,000
then uh readjust from eight to five

614
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,200
inches

615
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:56,000
and uh so then we got out across and i

616
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:57,360
measured across one of the school

617
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:58,480
buildings

618
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,360
and

619
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:01,039
told them then to get their little foot

620
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,919
little

621
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,400
yard rule or something and measure the

622
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,120
distance and we got around what was it

623
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,000
30 feet 33 feet yeah something like that

624
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,919
this is the diameter of the craft this

625
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:14,159
was no i wouldn't say diameter it was

626
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,200
the link

627
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:17,679
the length of as we saw what sheet was

628
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:23,029
we assumed it was

629
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,919
at this

630
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,320
disc it was a um

631
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,360
a round know

632
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,120
uh

633
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:33,279
yeah

634
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:34,320
that's right

635
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:35,520
circular

636
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,269
what i described in my report as i see

637
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,200
the structure which seemed to be

638
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,720
the um

639
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,559
rather like they're like at the top of

640
00:26:16,870 --> 00:25:53,360
the

641
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,880
crown

642
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,120
and then there was a what i interpreted

643
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,279
as a super structure on top of that what

644
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,559
shape was that

645
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,880
it was reminded us because we were right

646
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:26,320
on the coast

647
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,600
and it reminded us of the superstructure

648
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,440
of um

649
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:33,520
on the deck of on the deck of the craft

650
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,029
in fact we could see no legs

651
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,360
we could uh we assumed that there was

652
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,840
from waste upwards of what you see

653
00:27:05,269 --> 00:26:49,679
were they kneeling there or what's this

654
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,750
we had no binoculars

655
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,240
nothing like this i mean no

656
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,400
we weren't expected to say

657
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:13,919
again

658
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:18,159
it didn't say at one stage um i thought

659
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,120
uh

660
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,799
three four hundred feet something like

661
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,440
that at the nearest point

662
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,440
the furthest um

663
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:28,000
you mean when we're stationary

664
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,039
um

665
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,760
the cloud cover i estimated on the

666
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:33,760
by the mountain was about two thousand

667
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,070
just two hanging between a quarter and

668
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,840
three miles away

669
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,110
you see how many judging on the uh the

670
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:50,240
nearest point by what i assumed was a

671
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,679
size away on the nearest not the third

672
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:55,600
observations are based on the nearest

673
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,399
north

674
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,080
and my observations of the mention of

675
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:00,399
the crossway yes and all these figures

676
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:16,310
let's say between three hundred feet and

677
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,389
among the quarters

678
00:29:03,269 --> 00:28:26,960
no no no no

679
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,750
impressed with the disability of these

680
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:07,919
people when they were quite close and

681
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,590
but there was a stage when the cloud

682
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,440
cover i estimated about two thousand

683
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,159
feet judging on the height of the of the

684
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:34,080
mountain very close to us about a couple

685
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,360
of miles away

686
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:37,360
when it was under that and there was a

687
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,240
glow reflected from it emanating from it

688
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,559
or seemed to be onto the

689
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,360
other surface of the crowd

690
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,080
so therefore it must have been around

691
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:50,960
and under 2000 feet and then

692
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,760
at the stage when it came closer and in

693
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,240
my report i announced that we thought it

694
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,559
was going to land in fact we began

695
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,039
waving hoping that it worked

696
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:03,840
he said that your impression of being

697
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,960
was the remote button coming now

698
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,520
when i began just now that your

699
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,200
impression was that you would have seen

700
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:13,919
it nearer and what she's receiving

701
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,520
we did directly watch it come and go yes

702
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,200
the reflection on the surface of the

703
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,279
cloud which you just referred to was

704
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:24,320
this orange or yellow or rosy eight or

705
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,480
red or how would you describe the color

706
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,880
in your head

707
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:33,120
was it an even color all over or did it

708
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:34,399
i think so

709
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,269
um

710
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,789
11 years a long time but what i can what

711
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,640
i can say is that

712
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,200
it tended to be a more yellowy

713
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:06,000
light of the craft

714
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,760
uh in contrast to the white

715
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:11,840
uh

716
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,559
moving light around it yes

717
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,840
i asked you a

718
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,399
a seemingly odd question as to whether

719
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,320
you were conscious of being observed on

720
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:22,159
the face which is rather silly if you're

721
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,519
looking at something a great distance

722
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,600
away how are you to know

723
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,840
i meant rather this

724
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:29,919
did you have any sort of feeling

725
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,559
of a physical kind uh did you have the

726
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,480
feeling of a stoated rabbit

727
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:36,799
suddenly focusing your attention and

728
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,159
unable to divert it well did you have

729
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,320
any sort of tingling such as a

730
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,159
frightened person might feel it because

731
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:45,919
there's a ghost around in other words

732
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,279
was there any subjective physical

733
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:52,159
reaction to this that you can be called

734
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,600
only once

735
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:55,919
which was and that was the time of that

736
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:58,559
noise i spoke of yes and your reaction

737
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,070
aristotle

738
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,389
there are certainly some kind of

739
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,799
emotional reaction but i can't really

740
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,559
discover

741
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,720
physical i guess a little

742
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,640
no there was no

743
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:19,279
no reaction in the sense that there was

744
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,159
some

745
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,960
outside force acting towards me didn't

746
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:24,640
make any noise at all

747
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,399
no no no there's no smoke

748
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:31,440
the only noises that were made

749
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:32,320
were

750
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,840
in fact when the craft was not visible

751
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,519
to me

752
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,039
it was out of sight

753
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,559
or gone

754
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,320
and i recorded them only because they

755
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,080
happened not because i made any

756
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,240
connection necessary connection with the

757
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,559
society

758
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,640
what sort of uh psychological effects

759
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:52,880
you have on the rest of the mission

760
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:55,279
did you notice any

761
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,720
of uh sense of religious

762
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,880
uh feelings

763
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:02,640
no reactions

764
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,440
no

765
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,159
i did uh i made some preliminary remarks

766
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,720
to report afterwards

767
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,880
about this kind of thing

768
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:12,399
and i suggest that there there were many

769
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,840
suggestions which i made and which i

770
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,880
i made

771
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,559
virtually no comment about the only

772
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,480
suggestions that passed through my mind

773
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,559
and one of them was this kind of thing

774
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,200
now that perhaps me as an authority

775
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:26,799
figure

776
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,840
um my reaction was then being passed on

777
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,960
to the

778
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,960
natives who were much less sophisticated

779
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,240
than i was

780
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,799
and because i had an objective approach

781
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,960
to it so did they

782
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,519
now had i had any other

783
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:44,000
approach other kind of approach towards

784
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:49,269
father

785
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:02,789
of this kind

786
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,039
would seem to you to bear any

787
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,960
resentments

788
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,960
to that which you saw

789
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,960
oh yes i have yes

790
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,200
i can't uh label them for you but yes i

791
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,960
have

792
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,119
not in total but

793
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,240
certain aspects of other sightings um

794
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:22,560
are reasonably close to what i had seen

795
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:23,599
you see

796
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,399
i you said in the photographs which are

797
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,240
submitted

798
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,639
and inevitably they're nearly always

799
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:33,040
technically

800
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,030
i'm an optimist by nature and

801
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:41,040
pessimistic by experience but i'm not

802
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,399
generic

803
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,359
and i examine everything on these merits

804
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,520
and over a period of several years

805
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:49,839
examining many photographs of quite a

806
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,399
number which are obviously fake

807
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:54,800
um but in the things which are not and

808
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,440
they are always technically there

809
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,720
but

810
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,960
there are certain

811
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,560
resemblances

812
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,280
between photographs taken at enormously

813
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:07,440
disparate points

814
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,040
and they have the same kind of structure

815
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,160
i don't look for a technically perfect

816
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,480
photograph but when you have enough bad

817
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,000
photographs

818
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,040
which can be related together

819
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,920
has obviously bad photographs of similar

820
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:25,599
phenomena

821
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:28,839
this is progress of a very

822
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,079
minuscule level but it is progress

823
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:35,119
and this is as much as one can hopefully

824
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,640
and therefore

825
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,040
i'm very interested to know

826
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,800
if you've seen any photographs which

827
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,440
have been published in a review

828
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:45,920
which in particular

829
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:49,440
seem to be bad photographs of the sort

830
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,359
of phenomena which you saw

831
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,359
i can't label any of these either off my

832
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,520
hand my own but there are certainly

833
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,200
there are some things that sometimes

834
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,200
i've passed remarks for peter about this

835
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,720
in the past

836
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,040
um that um

837
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,640
i myself

838
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,359
uh would say seem to be in some of the

839
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,560
account written accounts sometimes um

840
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,839
incredible

841
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:15,599
sometimes unbelievable that i could not

842
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:16,640
accept

843
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,760
but of course this is my opinion because

844
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,240
that if i have seen one kind then this

845
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,599
is not to say

846
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:25,920
but um some of the some of the accounts

847
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,400
do seem even to me uh

848
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,680
most remarkable um sometimes to me

849
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,599
unbelievable

850
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,440
um there's of course there's more than

851
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,480
one content i saw

852
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,480
um that's also going to go into the

853
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,320
report at one stage i think there were

854
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,040
eight that's the figure that i just uh

855
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:46,960
comes to mind but i think it wasn't

856
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:50,160
certainly those of one stage

857
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,040
eight

858
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:53,599
in this car at one time pretty good yes

859
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,310
no

860
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:00,640
but there was one craft

861
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,160
um which i drew and described which was

862
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,760
unlike the

863
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,079
this major card which i began talking

864
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:12,079
about the mothership for the motorcraft

865
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:13,200
to get with

866
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,240
um

867
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:16,160
it in itself seemed to be just a

868
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:17,359
cylinder

869
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:20,720
uh but from our distance about a quarter

870
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,589
[Music]

871
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:27,920
about a quarter of an inch thick uh from

872
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:31,839
out from where we were and that had

873
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,800
a little light spots on it rectangular

874
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,480
light spots which i suppose was some

875
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,920
kind of porthole

876
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,000
could you please give us um some

877
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,640
indication of the

878
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,640
relationship and time of what you're

879
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,400
speaking about now

880
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:47,760
with the

881
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,839
initial

882
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:51,280
sighting this was all over two days two

883
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:52,240
nights

884
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,870
there were two long sightings which were

885
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,640
described in the report

886
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,480
now virtually these are the only ones

887
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,119
that i could identify

888
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,599
for how long one was two hours

889
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,920
well it was longer than that i think

890
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,119
wasn't it

891
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:12,880
the new remember the figures

892
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:16,079
but um it was a considerable time so at

893
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:47,270
by people going about some sort of

894
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:32,630
i mean um

895
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:55,030
surely

896
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,030
be whatever the distance whether it was

897
00:40:02,790 --> 00:39:59,760
one yard or one mile i don't know but it

898
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:02,800
was a disc which to my eyes was about a

899
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,990
i'm not scientific i'm not one of these

900
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:12,079
fellows who knows how to measure or what

901
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,680
to do which means once you've got them

902
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:14,800
in the sky

903
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,599
you see if you if i saw a plane i only

904
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,400
know the uh i can only judge

905
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,480
um the distance of a train because i've

906
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,400
seen one on the ground of that same

907
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:25,440
model

908
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:28,640
but if you could a new kind of plane i'm

909
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:34,550
you know

910
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,470
uh

911
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,359
form an opinion as to whether the people

912
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,200
that you saw called people yes were

913
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,440
killed in any way or had anything on

914
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:03,040
their heads or were they just the cloud

915
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:04,160
lines

916
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:05,200
they were

917
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:10,480
seen to be solids

918
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,599
but there was no indication of clothing

919
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:14,800
no color

920
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,430
sorry

921
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,839
bill did he be absolutely sure that

922
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,280
there weren't just people on the deck of

923
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,720
the ship offshore

924
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,240
no i can't

925
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,400
i can't be sure about anything all i can

926
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,560
be sure about is the image that i have

927
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:32,560
in my mind of what i saw

928
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,280
and

929
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,359
this had me worried this is

930
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:37,839
the reason for my getting

931
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,800
several of the more educated and monthly

932
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:43,040
witnesses to get in the corners of the

933
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:44,480
room and say now

934
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:46,880
draw what you saw

935
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,359
and uh three or four of those doing uh

936
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,920
in the incorporating the report

937
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:54,079
and um if you see them

938
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,440
that there are

939
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,359
significant

940
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:00,160
uh similarities

941
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:06,470
that's right because people have

942
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,440
entirely different ratios of graphics

943
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,160
right you'll notice one of them um has

944
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,960
in fact viewed it from uh

945
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:18,880
from above which of course was

946
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,920
impossible but it's probably amazing

947
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,960
yeah

948
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,040
didn't you say that the thing um

949
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:26,800
took off after the sighting which she

950
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,390
in those days are all kinds of rumors

951
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,319
about uh

952
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:38,560
uh machines with you know the atomic age

953
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,760
and all that and um

954
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,839
hovercraft i think it was just at the

955
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,599
beginning of the age of the hovercraft

956
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,119
and this could have been a hovercraft to

957
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:49,760
us which is some kind you know and uh

958
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,640
particularly me as not being

959
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,839
being

960
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,160
moral man of the humanities rather than

961
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,280
the scientists um i was not even

962
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,359
prepared in the beginning to to really

963
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,920
believe that that they were not

964
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,200
um

965
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:08,000
something which was quite from the earth

966
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,829
did go

967
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,680
inside with some of the drawings that

968
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:29,920
want to see in the parking lot

969
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:32,480
um it's nothing like a holocaust

970
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,190
you saw this craft and people appeared

971
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,520
to be waiting on the test

972
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,520
then a day passed

973
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,640
yes

974
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:48,560
during which nothing was there that's

975
00:44:06,630 --> 00:43:49,440
right

976
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:09,190
they've gone away

977
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:15,270
yes i guess the second night i wanted

978
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:16,400
and

979
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,200
so

980
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,480
eyes were

981
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,200
rarely off the skies at night

982
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,359
um wondering whether i don't see such a

983
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,520
thing again

984
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,280
this of course is not going to report

985
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,119
because this is objectiveness over the

986
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:33,599
objective before it was

987
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:50,630
corrugated iron roof

988
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,319
i suppose guessing and i'm only guessing

989
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,359
some such effect could be obtained by

990
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,240
a downward draft considerable force

991
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:02,079
was that your impression

992
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,150
no it was rather like um let's say a um

993
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:21,119
a six-inch bolt being dropped from

994
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:30,150
of that phenomenon

995
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,309
i believe that we are going to show i

996
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,400
believe we can already show

997
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,720
that the connection between some of the

998
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:52,240
investors

999
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,440
if they are

1000
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:55,040
uh there is a destination that they are

1001
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,400
that this is

1002
00:46:13,109 --> 00:45:57,760
identical

1003
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,030
dents there's nothing too visible

1004
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,880
there's a much nicer

1005
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:19,040
need because this is not the first one

1006
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:27,270
now you have to have this communication

1007
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,910
did you think that

1008
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,240
there was a reluctance on their cars to

1009
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:34,319
communicate back with you

1010
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:40,550
because you insisted on the monster in

1011
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,790
this was our interpretation uh but of

1012
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,119
course uh it may not have happened it

1013
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,440
can may not have been early but this is

1014
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:04,240
as we felt yeah

1015
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,200
like

1016
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:06,560
for them